Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120

02/24/2023 01:30 PM House JUDICIARY

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 24, 2023                                                                                        
                           1:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sarah Vance, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Jamie Allard, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
Representative Andrew Gray                                                                                                      
Representative Cliff Groh                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION(S): DEPARTMENT OF LAW CRIMINAL DIVISION                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE, Deputy Attorney General                                                                                          
Office of the Attorney General                                                                                                  
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave an overview of the Criminal Division.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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1:30:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SARAH  VANCE called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at  1:30 p.m.   Representatives  Vance, Allard,                                                               
Johnson  were present  at  the call  to  order.   Representatives                                                               
Eastman, Gray, Groh arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(s): Department of Law Criminal Division                                                                           
      PRESENTATION(s): Department of Law Criminal Division                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
1:31:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  announced that the  only order of business  would be                                                               
the Department of Law Criminal Division presentation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:32:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE,  Deputy Attorney General,  Office of  the Attorney                                                               
General, Criminal  Division, Department of Law  (DOL), introduced                                                               
himself and  shared that he has  been working as a  prosecutor in                                                               
DOL for over 25 years.  He said  he was asked to give an overview                                                               
of  the criminal  justice system.   He  began on  slide 1  of the                                                               
presentation,  titled "The  Criminal Justice  Process,"[hard copy                                                               
included  in  committee  packet],   and  said  he  hopes  today's                                                               
presentation will  give committee  members a  broader perspective                                                               
on  criminal law  as  bills  regarding the  subject  come to  the                                                               
committee through the legislative session.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:33:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE moved  to slide 2 to explain the  structure of court                                                               
systems  in the  United States.   He  said that  in the  American                                                               
Court System,  there are  at least  two separate  courts: federal                                                               
and  state.   He  noted that  state courts  in  other states  can                                                               
include local elected  courts as well.  He  said different courts                                                               
have  different  purposes in  that  trial  courts have  litigants                                                               
present  the  facts  of  a  case and  get  an  initial  decision.                                                               
However, if  there is the belief  that a legal decision  was made                                                               
improperly, he said the case then  moves up to an appellate court                                                               
for review.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:34:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE moved  to slide 3.  He said  that in federal courts,                                                               
the  United  States  Supreme  Court   is  the  highest  court  of                                                               
jurisdiction,  followed  by  the  U.S.  Courts  of  Appeal,  U.S.                                                               
District Courts,  U.S. Magistrate  Courts, and  Specialty Courts.                                                               
In  the Alaska  Court System,  the  highest court  is the  Alaska                                                               
Supreme Court.   The next court  is the Alaska Court  of Appeals,                                                               
which he  said handles only  criminal matters.  He  explained the                                                               
role   of  the   Alaska   Superior  Court,   which  has   general                                                               
jurisdiction over  civil and  felony cases.   He said  the Alaska                                                               
District  Courts  handle  misdemeanor   crimes,  and  the  Alaska                                                               
magistrates  work   during  court   afterhours.    He   said  the                                                               
connection  between  the two  systems  is  that cases  will  flow                                                               
through the courts.   He explained that  criminal cases traveling                                                               
through the state court system  will elevate to the United States                                                               
Supreme Court only if there  is a federal constitutional concern,                                                               
whereas a  case that covers  state law  would only be  handled in                                                               
the  State Supreme  Court.   He noted  that there  are situations                                                               
where a case  is removed to federal court but  said that does not                                                               
happen in  criminal cases  since those cases  are based  on state                                                               
statutes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:36:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  moved to  slide 4  to talk about  the goals  of the                                                               
criminal justice  system and  how those goals  are balanced.   He                                                               
said  the  first  goal  to  balance is  societies  need  to  hold                                                               
offenders  accountable,   and  legislatures  determine   what  is                                                               
considered criminal  conduct.  He  said the  hallmark distinction                                                               
between  criminal and  civil law  is  that in  criminal law,  the                                                               
state  can  deprive an  individual  of  their liberty  for  their                                                               
conduct.   He highlighted case  procedures that must  be balanced                                                               
between  offender  accountability   and  constitutional  presumed                                                               
innocence.   In  criminal  justice, he  outlined  aspects of  the                                                               
Alaska  and  U.S. Constitutions:  search  and  seizure, right  to                                                               
remain silent, free speech, double  jeopardy, due process, speedy                                                               
trial,  confrontation rights,  notice to  offenders, public  jury                                                               
trials,  right to  counsel, right  to  bail, and  right to  avoid                                                               
cruel and  unusual punishment.   He stressed that  the procedures                                                               
put in  place by  the U.S. and  Alaska Constitutions  reflect the                                                               
interest in public participation in the criminal justice system.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:38:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  moved to  slide 5.   He  said the  criminal justice                                                               
system is built upon discretion.   He outlined the steps involved                                                               
in the  criminal justice  process: investigation,  arrest, formal                                                               
charging,  arraignment,  preliminary  hearing, grand  jury,  jury                                                               
selection,  trial,   sentencing,  appeals,   and  post-conviction                                                               
remedies.   He stressed  that the court  system has  many layers,                                                               
especially for appeals.   Following the appeals  process is post-                                                               
conviction  remedies,  where  if  the  appeals  process  did  not                                                               
provide the  relief the offender  thought was available  to them,                                                               
the  offender then  can file  for  post-conviction relief  (PCR).                                                               
Slide  5 depicts  the criminal  justice process  as a  funnel; he                                                               
explained that  it is  to help people  understand that  not every                                                               
incident that  may involve  criminal conduct gets  to the  end of                                                               
the process.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:40:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE presented a diagram  on slide 6 showing a simplified                                                               
flow chart  of the  criminal justice system.   He  explained that                                                               
the diagram outlines an individual's  entry into the system after                                                               
having  been reported  to have  committed  a crime:  prosecution,                                                               
pretrial    services,   adjudication,    sentencing,   sanctions,                                                               
corrections,  and their  exit from  system, as  well as  the case                                                               
flow of felonies, misdemeanors, and  juvenile offenders.  He made                                                               
a  distinction  between  Unified  Crime  Report  (UCR)  data  and                                                               
prosecutions, in  that UCR  data contains  just the  instances of                                                               
crime reports made  to law enforcement, and further,  he said not                                                               
all reports get  referred to DOL for prosecution.   He said there                                                               
are multiple reasons as to why  a report does not get referred to                                                               
DOL, like the  case being unfounded or unsolved as  examples.  In                                                               
the  cases that  do  reach DOL,  filing charges  come  next.   He                                                               
stated that prosecutors, like  law enforcement, wield discretion.                                                               
He explained that a prosecutor's  discretion looks at the burdens                                                               
of  proof  and  proof  beyond a  reasonable  doubt,  whereas  law                                                               
enforcement's discretion looks at probable  cause.  He said there                                                               
is a  different level of  discretion between burden of  proof and                                                               
probable cause.  He said he would  not go over the chart on slide                                                               
6 in depth  but wanted it presented to committee  members and the                                                               
public to give a sense of the overall process.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:42:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  moved to slide  7 to describe the  criminal justice                                                               
process  in  further   detail.    He  explained   that  when  law                                                               
enforcement  is alerted  to criminal  activity, that  is when  an                                                               
investigation begins.   Based  on reasonable  suspicion, officers                                                               
can  perform a  "stop and  frisk" on  an individual;  however, he                                                               
emphasized that  reasonable suspicion  is the lowest  standard of                                                               
proof that  exists in the  criminal justice system.   If officers                                                               
are seeking to execute a search  warrant or to make an arrest, he                                                               
said the officers then require probable cause.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:43:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE talked  about criminal  complaints on  slide 8  and                                                               
listed what  is in  the complaint  document: The  charges against                                                               
the  individual,  the legal  elements  of  the crime,  supporting                                                               
facts, penalties, and crime classification.   He said these items                                                               
are listed  to give notice  to the  offender what they  have done                                                               
wrong  and are  also a  requirement as  per the  U.S. and  Alaska                                                               
Constitutions.    He  said a  criminal  complaint  initiates  the                                                               
criminal  case process,  and in  Alaska,  cases can  be filed  by                                                               
prosecution as well as law  enforcement.  He explained that cases                                                               
filed by  law enforcement  are still referred  to DOL  for review                                                               
and to determine  whether DOL would file charging  documents.  He                                                               
said the  referred documents from law  enforcement are considered                                                               
"informations," which DOL can  use when prosecuting misdemeanors.                                                               
He said DOL  cannot prosecute an individual for  a felony without                                                               
a grand jury returning an  indictment against the individual.  He                                                               
summarized that  a grand jury  comprises 12-18 people  who review                                                               
the  evidence the  state has  and decide  if there  is sufficient                                                               
evidence to  move a  case forward.   He  spoke about  the booking                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:45:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  moved to slide  9.  He  spoke to the  initial court                                                               
appearance  process and  said that  a defendant  must be  brought                                                               
before  a magistrate  or  judge without  unnecessary  delay.   In                                                               
Alaska, a  defendant must appear  before a judge within  24 hours                                                               
after arrest, where  the judge will then inform  the defendant of                                                               
their  rights and  the charges  against them.   He  said bail  is                                                               
generally considered during initial appearance.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:46:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE moved  to slide  10 to  explain the  process of  an                                                               
arraignment  by a  district court  judge.   He  said that  during                                                               
arraignment,  the  defendant is  again  informed  of the  charges                                                               
against them,  consideration of bail is  - if not already  done -                                                               
appointment  of counsel  and consideration  by the  judge whether                                                               
the  alleged facts  support  probable cause.    He explained  the                                                               
three  possible pleas  the  defendant can  make:  not guilty,  no                                                               
contest, or guilty.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:47:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  explained the preliminary hearing  process while on                                                               
slide 11, which  he referred to as "quasi mini  trials."  Present                                                               
at such  hearings are  the judge, the  defense attorney,  and the                                                               
defendant.   He explained  that a  preliminary hearing  gives the                                                               
state  the opportunity  to present  its  proof on  the case,  and                                                               
allows  the defense  to perform  cross-examination of  witnesses.                                                               
He  said that  the  preliminary hearing  process is  infrequently                                                               
used in  Alaska, and  noted that  in his  own experience,  he has                                                               
held only  one such hearing  in the last 25  years.  He  said the                                                               
grand  jury  process is  typically  used  instead of  preliminary                                                               
hearings, and  explained that a preliminary  hearing is conducted                                                               
only if  there has not  been a grand jury  held.  The  grand jury                                                               
must be  held within 10 days  if the defendant is  in custody, or                                                               
20 days  if out-of-custody.   He said defendants can  waive their                                                               
constitutional rights, and  that it is not infrequent  for DOL to                                                               
contact   the   defendant's   defense  counsel   to   engage   in                                                               
negotiations prior to going to grand  jury to resolve a case.  He                                                               
said the defense is not  required to waive constitutional rights,                                                               
but that  it is an  option in the  criminal justice process.   He                                                               
pointed out that  preliminary hearings are not  required in every                                                               
state.   He explained that  the questions  posed by a  grand jury                                                               
must be  answered, and  there are  consequences if  the questions                                                               
are unanswered.   He referred to Alaska criminal rule  6 and 6.1,                                                               
as well  as the Alaska  Constitution, to explain where  the grand                                                               
jury process  is based.  He  said there are two  functions of the                                                               
grand jury, the first - and  what is focused on - is indictments.                                                               
Anytime DOL wants to  go to trial on a felony  case, the case has                                                               
to go to grand jury, where  the state's evidence will be heard to                                                               
determine if there is enough evidence.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD asked  Mr. Skidmore  about the  grand jury                                                               
process.     She   relayed  her   understanding  that,   per  the                                                               
constitution, there will always be a  grand jury held.  She asked                                                               
if there's been a change in  statute in who gets to determine who                                                               
the prosecutor is,  and she asked who determines  whether a grand                                                               
jury is  held.  She  remarked, "you  know where I'm  going, don't                                                               
you?  I'll just put it with this: Kenai."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered with information  on slide 11 regarding the                                                               
investigative function  of grand juries.   He explained  that the                                                               
grand  jury   serving  the  investigative   function  is   not  a                                                               
determination on  whether to indict  an individual, it  is rather                                                               
an investigation into a case as  it relates to a matter of public                                                               
concern.    He  used  matters  of public  welfare  or  safety  as                                                               
examples  of what  the investigative  report could  assess.   The                                                               
report  is then  sent back  to the  court with  its findings  and                                                               
determinations, and  is also  made publicly  available.   He said                                                               
the determination of whether a person  has committed a crime is a                                                               
different  function of  grand jury:  the charging  function.   In                                                               
addressing Representative  Allard's question,  he said that  if a                                                               
person is  going to be charged  with a felony crime  in Alaska, a                                                               
prosecutor  has no  authority to  make  that person  go to  trial                                                               
without  going  through  a  grand  jury.   He  pointed  out  that                                                               
investigative  grand juries  do not  happen often,  and said  the                                                               
challenge is  that there  must be  a legal  advisor to  the grand                                                               
jury.   He  said,  given how  the  rules are  set  up, usually  a                                                               
prosecutor comes  in to  advise the  jury, help  serve subpoenas,                                                               
and  provide information.   He  relayed complaints  that DOL  has                                                               
heard  in  the  state,  in that  the  complainants  believe  that                                                               
someone is  interfering in  a citizen's ability  to get  to grand                                                               
jury.  He  clarified that the complaints are  incorrect, and that                                                               
no one has  ever interfered with a person trying  to get to grand                                                               
jury.   He explained  that there are  instances where  members of                                                               
the grand jury  share information with one another in  a way that                                                               
does not  follow court rules.   That  is corrected and  the rules                                                               
are explained to the members.   He noted that investigative grand                                                               
juries did not  have clearly defined rules until  January of this                                                               
year, which at that time  the Alaska Supreme Court amended Alaska                                                               
criminal rule 6.1  to provide clarity on  how investigative grand                                                               
juries are supposed to function.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:53:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  asked if  the  Alaska  Supreme Court  has                                                               
decided to redefine,  or further define, what the  writers of the                                                               
Alaska Constitution meant.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered  that he would not  characterize the matter                                                               
that way.  He said the  Alaska Supreme Court has not changed what                                                               
the state  constitution says.   Instead,  the court  has provided                                                               
clarity and guidance on how  the investigative grand jury process                                                               
works.  He explained that  deciding when to hold an investigative                                                               
grand  jury  was   missing  from  the  process.     He  said  the                                                               
constitution  indicates that  there  can  be investigative  grand                                                               
juries held,  but no further guidance  is provided.  He  said the                                                               
role of the  supreme court - as the third  branch of government -                                                               
is to create rules  of court.  He pointed to a  large red book on                                                               
a shelf in the  committee room that is the book  of all the rules                                                               
for courts,  and said that  rules inside the  book all had  to be                                                               
promulgated  by the  Alaska Supreme  Court.   The only  other way                                                               
court rules can be established,  as outlined in the constitution,                                                               
is  through the  legislature.   Court rules,  however, require  a                                                               
two-thirds vote in  both the House and Senate for  a change to be                                                               
approved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  asked  if  the  language  in  the  Alaska                                                               
constitution  relating to  grand  juries states  the word  "can".                                                               
She  also asked,  regarding  Alaska court  rule  changes, if  the                                                               
supreme  court changed  any language  recently  to read  "shall",                                                               
"will", or "may".                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  agreed to  follow  up  with Representative  Allard                                                               
regarding any  changes to court  rules.  In answering  a previous                                                               
question  about the  language  of the  state  constitution as  it                                                               
relates to grand  juries, he referred to Article 1,  Section 8 of                                                               
the Alaska Constitution.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:56:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE asked Mr. Skidmore who can request a grand jury.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE answered  that a  person does  not request  a grand                                                               
jury as  a charging  function.   Regarding the  charging function                                                               
process, he explained that it  typically begins when a prosecutor                                                               
brings forward  charging documents for  a felony crime  case, and                                                               
then the  case is requested to  be scheduled.  Moreover,  he said                                                               
the  initial investigative  jury  process was  unclear until  the                                                               
change in Alaska  Criminal Code 6.1, and stressed  that there was                                                               
no previous court rule, statute,  or language in the constitution                                                               
that  provided   guidance  on  how   someone  would   request  an                                                               
investigative grand jury.  He  said that the Alaska Supreme Court                                                               
had changed Alaska  Criminal Code 6.1 because the  court saw need                                                               
for direction and,  therefore, changed the code to  outline how a                                                               
citizen  can request  such a  jury.   He  summarized the  process                                                               
under  the   new  criminal  code:   a  citizen  can   request  an                                                               
investigative grand  jury; the  request is sent  to both  DOL and                                                               
the prosecutor's  office; the request  is reviewed and,  if found                                                               
that  the  case  has  an   appropriate  basis  to  make  a  legal                                                               
determination,   and   meets  constitutional   requirements,   an                                                               
investigative  grand  jury  can  be scheduled.    He  noted  that                                                               
typically the  office of criminal  justice schedules  the juries,                                                               
as well as handles citizen requests.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE inquired  about differences between a  grand jury and                                                               
other trial juries that may take place.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  described  that  at  a  grand  jury  there  is  no                                                               
defendant,  defense attorney,  or  judge; it  is  just the  12-18                                                               
jurors,  a court  clerk,  a prosecutor,  and  witnesses from  the                                                               
prosecution.   He said the  grand jury evaluates  the information                                                               
presented  and   is  charged  with  deciding   whether  there  is                                                               
sufficient evidence  to move the  case to trial.   Alternatively,                                                               
the investigative grand  jury looks at information  brought to it                                                               
in order  to make  a recommendation to  the presiding  judge, who                                                               
will  receive the  recommendation and  make it  available to  the                                                               
public.   He explained how  the processes are  different compared                                                               
to  a trial  jury,  in that  the trial  jury  has the  defendant,                                                               
defense  attorney,  and  judge   thoroughly  examining  the  case                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:00:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  how the  process would  be carried                                                               
out if a citizen were to  request an investigative grand jury and                                                               
requests investigation of the attorney  general or chief justices                                                               
of the Alaska Supreme Court.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  said the  challenge  in  investigating high  level                                                               
state  officials  is that  the  state  process  is not  the  best                                                               
process to  use.   He said sometimes  a case  like Representative                                                               
Eastman described needs to be  referred to the federal government                                                               
and  the U.S.  Department of  Justice.   However, he  pointed out                                                               
that  it  is  possible  to  have  DOL  individuals  investigated,                                                               
including  attorney  generals,  and  noted a  current  case  that                                                               
involves  a  former  Alaska attorney  general  via  an  appointed                                                               
special  prosecutor.   He noted  another past  instance where  an                                                               
investigative grand  jury was formed  to investigate  a governor,                                                               
who was  in office at the  time.  He said  the investigations are                                                               
possible but  underlined that protections  or "walls"  are needed                                                               
so  that  the  information  does  not reach  the  target  of  the                                                               
investigation.  He summarized the  two options: the investigation                                                               
is done  by a  special prosecutor -  or another  mechanism within                                                               
the state  DOL or, if it  cannot, then it should  be addressed at                                                               
the federal  level.  As for  state judges and state  court system                                                               
personnel,   Mr.  Skidmore   shared   that   he  has   experience                                                               
prosecuting both.  He said what  would be difficult to address is                                                               
whether  the  case  involves  just   an  individual,  or  alleges                                                               
systemwide  corruption, because  individuals  would likely  argue                                                               
that  the case  is flawed  because it  was influenced  by corrupt                                                               
individuals.  He reiterated that a  case of that nature should be                                                               
referred to the federal level.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  stated his  belief that the  topic merits                                                               
further committee time in the future.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:03:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  asked   about  the  special  prosecutor's                                                               
office.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  responded  that  there is  an  Office  of  Special                                                               
Prosecutions, which  functions as a  division and reports  to the                                                               
division director as  well as to himself.   Further, he explained                                                               
that DOL  has special prosecutors  that are appointed  outside of                                                               
the department, and there are two instances of that currently.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ALLARD   asked   if  the   Office   of   Special                                                               
Prosecutions is the  entity that decides whether a  grand jury is                                                               
needed or not within an investigation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered that it would  be DOL overall.  He said the                                                               
department usually  involves the  office of  special prosecutions                                                               
in investigative grand jury cases.   He explained that the office                                                               
is  involved because  such  juries are  not  held frequently  and                                                               
handling this uncommon request effects workload capacity.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  interjected  and rose  concern  that  the                                                               
ability for an  Alaska citizen to request  an investigative grand                                                               
jury has  been taken away  and given to  a state entity  that, in                                                               
the future, a  citizen may want to have investigated.   She asked                                                               
Mr.  Skidmore if  he thinks  that is  fair, and  whether he  sees                                                               
conflict of  interest in  that process.   She stated,  "Before we                                                               
were just advising, now we're saying,  'You know what?  Unless we                                                               
tell  you  it's okay,  you're  not  going to  be  able  to do  an                                                               
investigation.'"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  stated that he had  not indicated any part  of what                                                               
was just asked.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD replied,  "No, I'm not saying  you did; I'm                                                               
saying that's what it sounds like though."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE asked  Representative  Allard to  clarify what  she                                                               
means by "that" in "that's what it sounds like."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  asked  about   the  revisions  to  Alaska                                                               
Criminal Code 6.1.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  explained the changes,  he said the  Alaska Supreme                                                               
Court provided  guidance about how  an individual can  request an                                                               
investigative grand jury.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD  relayed her understanding of  the criminal                                                               
code 6.1  changes, in that  the investigative grand  jury request                                                               
process has been  taken away from Alaskans and  instead the state                                                               
now decides when to hold one.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:06:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE encouraged  members to review Alaska  court rules and                                                               
statute.   She  said  there  will likely  be  another meeting  on                                                               
criminal justice.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD  relayed her agreement  with Representative                                                               
Eastman's  previous statement  [regarding  the  need for  further                                                               
discussion of the topic] and  suggested that the committee form a                                                               
subcommittee on the topic.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:07:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY posed  a question  regarding the  grand jury                                                               
request process.  He read out a  part of Article 1, Section 8, of                                                               
the  Alaska  Constitution,  "Indictment  may  be  waived  by  the                                                               
accused.  In that case the prosecution shall be by information."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  confirmed that Representative  Gray's understanding                                                               
is correct, in  that if a person waives indictment  then the case                                                               
does not go to grand jury.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY   inquired  about  the   indictment  waiving                                                               
process by posing a hypothetical.   He asked when in the process,                                                               
if he were  a defendant, he would  say he would not  like a grand                                                               
jury and would rather like the case to be just "by information."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
if  he were  a defendant,  when in  the process  would he  say he                                                               
would not like  a grand jury and would rather  like the case just                                                               
be by information.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  responded that, if  he were a defense  attorney, he                                                               
would never  advise a client to  waive grand jury.   He said that                                                               
in his  25 years  of experience  he has  never had  an individual                                                               
waive grand jury to go to  trial.  However, he has seen instances                                                               
where grand jury  is waived to enter a plea,  allowing the person                                                               
to  plea guilty  or  no contest  to  a felony  charge.   He  said                                                               
waiving at this  time makes it so the court  system is not forced                                                               
to  use  more  resources  since   the  defendant  is  willing  to                                                               
acknowledge or  admit their plea.   He stated that  that scenario                                                               
is the  only case where  he sees  waiving grand jury  coming into                                                               
play.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY asked  if  allowing plea  deals  is why  the                                                               
language in Article 1 Section 8 is in the constitution.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  said he  could not  answer why  the authors  of the                                                               
constitution chose  to use this  particular language,  but agreed                                                               
with   Representative  Gray   that   the  language   is  in   the                                                               
constitution  and  stated  that   his  explanation  to  the  last                                                               
question is how  he has seen the section operated  in the last 25                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:09:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE returned to the  PowerPoint presentation on slide 12                                                               
to describe pretrial  motions and evidentiary hearings.   He said                                                               
that   once  charges   have  been   filed,  there   are  numerous                                                               
opportunities  for  the defendants  to  bring  charges and  "test                                                               
things."   He  said that  a  motion to  suppress or  a motion  in                                                               
limine  are actions  made  to set  up  rules on  how  a trial  is                                                               
conducted.  A  motion to dismiss charges is for  when there might                                                               
be  an  aspect  of  case  that is  improper,  or  when  there  is                                                               
insufficient  evidence.   Double jeopardy  is when  an individual                                                               
has  already been  placed  in jeopardy  by the  case  before.   A                                                               
change  of venue  motion determines  where the  trial occurs.   A                                                               
motion for severance  is for when there are  multiple charges and                                                               
it is  recognized that the  charges, or defendants,  shouldn't be                                                               
tried  together.   The slide  depicts a  fully written  out court                                                               
motion.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:10:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  talked about  criminal discovery on  slide 13.   He                                                               
said discovery  is the  exchange of  information relevant  to the                                                               
charges and  evidence that will be  presented at trial.   He said                                                               
the slide  depicts what court  files used  to look like  a decade                                                               
ago with paper files and compact  discs (CDs).  He explained that                                                               
the  constitution  obligates   prosecution  to  provide  whatever                                                               
information  it has  on  a case  to the  defense  for review  and                                                               
preparation for  trial.  He  pointed out however that  in Alaska,                                                               
reciprocal discovery  is not required,  meaning that  the defense                                                               
is not  required to tell the  prosecution anything.  He  said the                                                               
Alaska Supreme Court decided that  defendants are not required to                                                               
tell  the  state  anything  about anything  the  state  wants  to                                                               
present at  trial.  He noted  that if the defense  wants to bring                                                               
forward  an expert  witness,  that  requires prior  notification.                                                               
Further, he  said the defense  attorney has  to claim or  argue a                                                               
defense,  but do  not  need  to elaborate  on  how  that will  be                                                               
carried  out.   He stated  that  a trial  is a  search for  truth                                                               
rather  than a  competitive sporting  contest.   He spoke  on the                                                               
Brady  Rule, Brady  v Maryland,  a U.S.  Supreme Court  case that                                                               
determined that the accused has  constitutional right to have all                                                               
exculpatory information the prosecutor possesses.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:11:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE   detailed  the  types  of   evidence  in  criminal                                                               
discovery,  while on  slide 14.   He  said the  evidence includes                                                               
dash cams, body cams, mobile devices,  and social media.  He said                                                               
these   are  areas   from  which   the  prosecution   can  gather                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:12:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  moved to slide 15  to state that with  new types of                                                               
evidence come  new challenges.   He explained that,  just because                                                               
something is caught  on camera, it does not  mean everything that                                                               
is necessary is  caught on camera.  For example,  he said DOL has                                                               
seen  homicide cases  in which  there are  arguments about  self-                                                               
defense but  the only thing  that is  recorded is the  gun firing                                                               
off  camera.    He  noted  methods  of  discovery  and  courtroom                                                               
presentation.  On  storage unit disposal, he said  the old system                                                               
was paper, but on the present system, everything is on computer.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:13:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE asked,  regarding storage  until disposal,  how long                                                               
records are kept.  She also  asked about the digital age's impact                                                               
on that process.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  answered  that  there   is  a  records  retentions                                                               
schedule.  He said the schedule  is only influenced by statute in                                                               
cases that  have or  involve DNA evidence,  DNA evidence  is kept                                                               
for  50 years.   He  detailed the  record retention  schedule for                                                               
other closed  cases: three  years for  misdemeanors and  10 years                                                               
for felonies.   He clarified that a closed case  is when there is                                                               
no appeal and the defendant is  no longer on probation; only then                                                               
does  the "clock  start" in  terms of  disposing the  files.   He                                                               
explained that  DOL maintains records post-conviction  for future                                                               
reference in  situations including  an appeal  or post-conviction                                                               
relief.   He said DOL  does dispose of files  at a point  in time                                                               
because they cannot hold on to them indefinitely.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE asked about records  for ongoing unsolved cases.  She                                                               
used a missing person case as an example.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE stated  that DOL never destroys  records relating to                                                               
an open case.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE  shared her  thoughts  on  the evolution  of  record                                                               
keeping in  DOL.  She  applauded DOL  for being able  to navigate                                                               
the  digital  age transitions  as  it  relates to  case  records,                                                               
especially having to hold some records for 50 years.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE clarified  that it is DNA records that  are kept for                                                               
50 years.   In response to a question about  the retention length                                                               
for  other case  records, he  explained that,  after the  case is                                                               
closed, records for misdemeanor cases  are kept for three to five                                                               
years  depending on  the type  of misdemeanor,  and records  on a                                                               
felony case are  kept for 10 years.   He stressed that  if DNA is                                                               
involved,  DOL  does  not  have  the ability  to  set  a  records                                                               
retention  schedule  separately  because   it  is  determined  by                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:16:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY  shared his  thought that, since  paper files                                                               
do  not need  to  be  kept anymore,  keeping  records  is not  as                                                               
cumbersome as it  used to be.   He asked if it would  be the same                                                               
challenge to keep the records longer.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  answered that he  manages a division that  sees 25-                                                               
30,000  cases  a year.    He  characterized the  accumulation  of                                                               
digital evidence as  "watching the terabytes grow."   He said the                                                               
challenge comes  when considering the exponential  growth in case                                                               
records that  occurs over  several years,  which showed  that DOL                                                               
cannot hold  on to everything  indefinitely, even in  the digital                                                               
age.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:17:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE moved to slide  16 to discuss plea bargaining, which                                                               
he  said is  a voluntary  agreement  from a  defendant, and  made                                                               
between  the defense  and the  prosecution.   The plea  agreement                                                               
involves the defendant  agreeing to plead guilty  and waive their                                                               
rights  to a  trial, as  well as  other rights,  in return  for a                                                               
benefit  from the  prosecution, including  dismissal of  charges,                                                               
sentence recommendation, and an  agreement to not seek additional                                                               
charges.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:18:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE moved  to slide  17 to  describe the  criticisms of                                                               
plea bargaining:  disparity; defendants who are  innocent but are                                                               
admitting  to the  charges  to  make the  charges  go away;  plea                                                               
bargaining  as  an  administrative  convenience;  the  nature  of                                                               
criminal charges  and the fluidity  of charges; whether  there is                                                               
factual basis  for the plea;  and whether or not  plea bargaining                                                               
is voluntary.  dHe told  members that studies and statistics show                                                               
that  over  95  percent  of   all  cases  are  resolved  in  plea                                                               
negotiations, and  said that that  is not  just in Alaska  but in                                                               
the federal system and every other  state system.  He stated that                                                               
the justice system could and  would not function without engaging                                                               
in plea negotiations.  He noted  that there is nothing wrong with                                                               
an  individual saying  they  are willing  to  take ownership  and                                                               
responsibility  for  what they  have  done  wrong, and  in  those                                                               
circumstances, he said, the prosecution  gives the defendant some                                                               
benefit  for  accepting  that  responsibility.     He  said  that                                                               
scenario is the whole concept behind plea bargaining.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:19:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE talked  about the criminal justice  process on slide                                                               
18, including the  jury selection and the trial itself.   On jury                                                               
selection, he  said jurors are  randomly selected and are  a fair                                                               
cross  section of  the community  where the  crime occurred.   He                                                               
shared  with members  that potential  jurors are  drawn from  the                                                               
permanent fund  dividend (PFD)  list, and a  simple way  to avoid                                                               
jury is  to just not sign  up for a  PFD.  He explained  the term                                                               
"voir dire,"  which is the  questioning of prospective  jurors to                                                               
determine  if  they have  bias.    Trials,  he said,  consist  of                                                               
opening  statements,  the  prosecution  presenting  the  case-in-                                                               
chief,  a rebuttal  period, a  closing,  jury deliberations,  and                                                               
then the verdict.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:20:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY,  referring  back   to  the  topic  of  plea                                                               
bargains, asked if  poor people might plea  bargain because being                                                               
put on  trial is expensive and  are pressured to plea  bargain so                                                               
that the person does not need to pay as much money.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  said the Alaska  and Federal  Constitutions appoint                                                               
counsel for  those that cannot  pay for counsel themselves.   The                                                               
cost of  trial is borne from  the agencies, and so  the defendant                                                               
does not  have to pay.   In terms  of the effect  litigation will                                                               
have on  the defendant's ability  to make a living,  he explained                                                               
that  there's  a  process  where the  defendant  elects  to  plea                                                               
bargain and accept responsibility because  the pain will be worse                                                               
if they go to trial.   He reiterated that, in general, 95 percent                                                               
of cases are resolved through plea negotiations.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:21:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN referred  to a past bill that  came to the                                                               
committee  dealing  with  individuals who  had  their  conviction                                                               
overturned  and whether  the person  is allowed  to receive  past                                                               
PFDs.  He illustrated a  hypothetical: someone is innocent of the                                                               
charges before them, and do not  have much resources so engage in                                                               
plea  bargaining,  but  the  prosecution  does  not  convict  the                                                               
person.    He  asked  if  there is  an  individual  that  reviews                                                               
information and gets the person  their missing PFDs or their lost                                                               
job.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  responded that,  in a  situation where  someone has                                                               
been charged and goes  to trial, he does not know  if there is an                                                               
individual that  attempts to get the  person their job back.   He                                                               
said  that is  why the  system  is designed  with probable  cause                                                               
determination,  in that  judges review  the information,  motions                                                               
are filed,  and, if a  felony, the case goes  to grand jury.   He                                                               
said these actions are checks  and balances to ensure that before                                                               
being entered into  the criminal justice system, there  is a good                                                               
faith basis before  moving forward.  In terms  of retrieving lost                                                               
PFDs  due to  incarceration, he  said  he does  not know  whether                                                               
someone is eligible  to get a PFD,  and if they are,  how they go                                                               
about retrieving the PFDs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:23:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE returned  to  the PowerPoint  to  slides 19-22,  to                                                               
detail  the  process  around  "burdens   of  proof."    Slide  19                                                               
illustrates  the spectrum  of certainty  and lists  the level  of                                                               
certainty  from  "absolute   certainty"  to  "mere  speculation."                                                               
Slide 20 details  jury instruction as it relates  to proof beyond                                                               
a reasonable doubt  and what is required.  He  said that slide 21                                                               
covers clear and convincing evidence  as well as preponderance of                                                               
evidence.   He said these  are not jury trial  determinations but                                                               
rather other types  of cases.  Slide 22  addresses probable cause                                                               
and reasonable suspicion.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:24:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE moved  to slide  23  to talk  about the  sentencing                                                               
process.   He  explained Alaska  Criminal Rule  32.1 to  members,                                                               
which covers the presentence report  for a felony case, and noted                                                               
that these can be waived if there  is a plea agreement.  He spoke                                                               
on the  sentencing hearing process,  which involves the  right of                                                               
allocution,  a   judge's  consideration  of  a   broad  range  of                                                               
information  to  determine   the  appropriate  sentence,  victims                                                               
coming  forward  with  their  impact  statement  and  restitution                                                               
request,  and  presumptive  sentencing.     He  noted  sentencing                                                               
guidelines, which  he said are  not present in Alaska  but rather                                                               
in the federal court system.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:25:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE ended  his presentation on slide 24  to outline what                                                               
occurs after a  person is convicted.  He said  that one action is                                                               
to  appeal, and  listed  the  grounds the  appeal  can be  under:                                                               
motion  to suppress,  double jeopardy,  sufficiency of  evidence,                                                               
speedy   trial,   violation   of   constitutional   rights,   and                                                               
consistency of  verdicts.  He  said that if the  appellate courts                                                               
believe there was a  mistake made in a lower court,  and it was a                                                               
mistake that  impacted the outcome  of the trial, then  the whole                                                               
case is undone  and the process must be done  over.  He explained                                                               
that the question  for prosecutors, after a case  is returned, is                                                               
whether to  continue to seek conviction  and retry the case.   He                                                               
stated  that  the decision  to  try  again is  complicated,  with                                                               
prosecutors  taking several  factors,  like  resources and  crime                                                               
severity, into  account.  He  noted interlocutory  appeals, which                                                               
are  taken up  before a  person is  convicted.   He said  that an                                                               
appeal can be  made on the grounds of  improperly determined bail                                                               
or a question of competency,  without waiting for conviction.  He                                                               
concluded and opened to any further questions.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:27:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON asked, in reference  to testimony made                                                               
at a previous meeting, about a  city in Alaska that never filed a                                                               
driving while under the influence  case because it was known that                                                               
the cases,  after making it  to trial,  would be overturned  by a                                                               
jury.   He said the  troopers have said  that in those  cases the                                                               
prosecutors say they  won't take the case because  they know they                                                               
can't get  a conviction.  He  shared his thoughts on  the system,                                                               
in that  it is  flawed.   He asked if  there is  a method  to try                                                               
those cases outside of the community.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  said the  answer  is  complicated, but  the  short                                                               
answer is  no, there is no  mechanism in which the  case could be                                                               
taken  to another  community.   He  said that  is  because, as  a                                                               
constitutional  right, the  defendant is  entitled to  a jury  of                                                               
their  peers,  thus  requiring  the  case  to  be  heard  in  the                                                               
community.  He said to  Representative C. Johnson that the person                                                               
who provided the  information he is talking about  may be talking                                                               
about the  concept of jury  annulment.  He explained  that juries                                                               
are able  to say, no  matter what the prosecution  presents, "not                                                               
guilty."  He  said juries are generally instructed  that they are                                                               
supposed to convict if the  evidence supports the conviction, but                                                               
there is  nothing that can  be done to  force a jury  to convict.                                                               
He said he has been in communities  where it's hard to pin down a                                                               
conviction, but  he doesn't  see that  as a  reason to  not bring                                                               
forward the charges.   However, he said that  prosecutors need to                                                               
account for  resources available, and  if he were  the prosecutor                                                               
in this circumstance, a public  campaign to educate the community                                                               
about  why  certain  charges  are  important  would  need  to  be                                                               
undertaken.   An  example he  shared was  that, when  he started,                                                               
there was difficulty in getting  convictions on domestic violence                                                               
cases because  people thought  it was just  an issue  between the                                                               
two  people in  their  home.   He  said  education  is needed  in                                                               
showing that  there are other  issues in a conviction  like that.                                                               
On the example  of a driving under the influence  charge, he said                                                               
such cases did not get much  attention and people did not want to                                                               
convict, but  after the advent  of Mothers Against  Drunk Driving                                                               
and discussions around  DUIs, a change was seen in  the number of                                                               
driving  under the  influence  convictions.   He  said these  are                                                               
larger societal issues rather than just a legal system issue.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON said that,  to him, this is  where the                                                               
plea  bargain would  come  into  play.   He  asked  if there  are                                                               
standards of plea bargains between communities.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE responded,  having worked  around the  state, there                                                               
are different standards.   For example, in DUI  cases, there were                                                               
differing  amounts  of  suspended  time imposed.    He  said  the                                                               
legislature had  adopted mandatory  minimums based on  the number                                                               
of convictions  a person has.   On plea bargaining, he  said that                                                               
Representative C. Johnson  is correct, in that it  is a mechanism                                                               
prosecutors use to navigate those  areas.  He said the department                                                               
does try  to set standards in  these cases, but it  is ultimately                                                               
up  to the  individual prosecutor  on the  agreements they  enter                                                               
into,  unless  there   is  a  policy  instructing   them  to  get                                                               
permission first.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:31:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE thanked Mr. Skidmore for today's presentation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:32:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:32 p.m.                                                                 

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